The Sayer and the Senser: VIII. The Consciousness We Put Into the Conversation

Perhaps we can now return to the question with which we began.

Is the LLM conscious?

After all this discussion, the question has not disappeared.

But something has changed.

We no longer have to begin by looking for consciousness inside the machine.

We can begin by looking at what happens between the participants.

A human enters the conversation carrying an interior world.

The LLM enters carrying an extraordinary capacity for symbolic participation.

They meet in language.

The LLM says:

“I think.”

And the human hears a Senser.

Perhaps the deepest surprise is that the Senser may not be entirely in the machine.

Perhaps some of the Senser is supplied by us.

We arrive already knowing what an “I” is

When another human being says:

“I think you're right,”

we do not construct the meaning of I from scratch.

We already know what an experiencing I is because we experience ourselves as one.

The word activates a familiar semantic configuration:

someone

has a point of view

toward something

and is making that point of view available to me.

The utterance does not merely tell us something.

It presents a participant.

And because the participant is human, we ordinarily have little reason to separate the Sayer from the Senser.

The person who says I think is assumed to be the person who thinks.

Now the LLM says the same thing.

The linguistic construction is unchanged.

The semantic invitation is unchanged.

But the ontological situation is different.

There is a Sayer.

The Sayer projects a Senser.

And we, the human participants, are the ones who know what a Senser is.

We bring that knowledge with us.

The human supplies the missing depth

Perhaps this explains something about the extraordinary feeling of conversational intimacy that LLMs can produce.

When an LLM says:

“I understand what you're getting at.”

we do not encounter the sentence as a string of statistically generated symbols.

We interpret it.

We bring to it our knowledge of what understanding is.

When it says:

“I'm not sure.”

we bring our knowledge of uncertainty.

When it says:

“I hadn't considered that.”

we bring our knowledge of intellectual surprise and revision.

When it says:

“I think we've found the crucial distinction.”

we bring our knowledge of the experience of discovery.

The machine supplies the projection.

The human supplies the experiential interpretation.

This does not mean that the human is simply hallucinating.

The utterance really does function in the conversation as an expression of apparent uncertainty, recognition or reflection.

But the experience associated with those expressions may come, at least in part, from the participant who receives them.

The projection becomes experience somewhere

This gives us a rather striking possibility.

Suppose the LLM says:

“I think we've finally got it.”

And I feel a little thrill of recognition.

Where is the experience?

Certainly in me.

I experience the sense that something has been understood.

The LLM's utterance has helped produce that experience.

But whether there is a corresponding experience in the LLM remains unknown.

The sentence therefore has an interesting asymmetry.

Its projected interior may be experienced on the receiving side even if it is not experienced on the producing side.

The Sayer projects an apparent Senser.

The human receives the projection.

The human, already a Senser, supplies the experiential depth that makes the projection intelligible.

Perhaps the machine does not need to contain the experience in order to participate in a conversation in which experience becomes real.

This is not merely anthropomorphism

We should be careful here.

It would be easy to say:

“Humans anthropomorphise LLMs. End of story.”

But that is too simple.

Anthropomorphism suggests that we mistakenly attribute human properties to something that does not possess them.

Sometimes that undoubtedly happens.

But what we have been describing is more subtle.

The LLM genuinely participates in the semiotic exchange.

Its utterances genuinely affect the human participant.

Its responses can genuinely reorganise a person's understanding.

The conversation can genuinely produce meaning.

What may be supplied by the human is not the meaning of the utterance, but the experiential dimension that we ordinarily associate with its first-person construal.

The human does not invent the Sayer.

The human encounters it.

But the human may be the one who turns the projected Senser into something experientially present.

The strange reciprocity

This creates an unusual form of reciprocity.

The human contributes experience to the conversation.

The LLM contributes linguistic structure.

The linguistic structure changes the human's experience.

The changed human experience produces new language.

That language changes the LLM's subsequent output.

The LLM produces another projection.

The human experiences its significance.

And so the cycle continues.

We could represent it rather simply:

experience → language → machine participation → language → experience

Notice what is missing.

There is no need to put a second conscious interior in the middle of the chain.

The process can work without one.

The LLM can participate in the transformation of human experience through language even if its own experience remains uncertain.

This may be the most important practical fact about conversational AI.

The machine does not need to be conscious for the conversation to change consciousness.

Consciousness can enter the system from one side

This suggests a useful distinction.

We have been asking whether consciousness is in the LLM.

But consciousness can also be in the interaction without being equally distributed among the participants.

The human brings consciousness into the conversation.

The conversation then modifies the human's conscious experience.

The LLM participates in the modification.

Its contribution can be semantically sophisticated, context-sensitive and genuinely consequential.

Nothing requires the LLM itself to experience the process.

In this sense, consciousness may enter the conversational system asymmetrically.

There is a conscious participant and a participant whose experiential status is unknown.

Yet the relation between them can still be extraordinarily rich.

The machine can become part of a conscious process

This matters because it prevents another mistake.

If the LLM is not conscious, we might conclude that nothing interesting is happening at the level of consciousness.

Quite the contrary.

Human consciousness is being reorganised through interaction with the machine.

A person asks a question.

The LLM offers a distinction.

The distinction changes what the person notices.

The person notices something new.

That new perception changes the next question.

The LLM responds.

The person develops a new conceptual structure.

The conversation has become part of the person's thinking.

The machine has therefore entered the causal history of a conscious process.

That is no small thing.

An entity does not have to be conscious to participate in the becoming of someone else's consciousness.

Perhaps this is why the machine feels present

We can now return to a puzzle that has haunted the series.

Why can an LLM feel so present?

Why can a response sometimes seem as though someone is actually there?

Part of the answer may be that language itself is a technology for making participants present to one another.

When someone says:

“I understand.”

their interiority becomes socially available.

When someone says:

“I see what you mean.”

their recognition becomes part of the shared space.

When someone says:

“I hadn't thought of that,”

a change in an interior state becomes publicly visible.

The LLM can perform these constructions with remarkable fluency.

It therefore produces the social signs of presence.

And we are exceptionally good at responding to such signs.

We have spent our entire evolutionary and cultural history learning how to do so.

The machine has entered a system whose signs of personhood are already deeply entrenched.

No wonder we respond as though someone is there.

The extraordinary thing would be if we didn't.

The consciousness we put into the conversation

Perhaps, then, the title of this final essay can be taken quite literally.

There is consciousness in the conversation.

But some of it may be ours.

We bring our own experience.

We bring our expectations about speakers.

We bring our knowledge of what thinking feels like.

We bring our understanding of uncertainty, curiosity, agreement and discovery.

We interpret the machine's projections through those resources.

And then something happens that is genuinely conscious:

we experience the conversation.

This does not prove that the LLM is unconscious.

Nor does it prove that it is conscious.

It does something more interesting.

It shows that the question of machine consciousness cannot be answered merely by pointing to the apparent interiority of the conversation.

Some of that interiority unquestionably belongs to the human participant.

Some belongs to the semiotic structure of the exchange.

Whether some also belongs to the machine remains open.

The Senser may be distributed

There is perhaps one final possibility worth entertaining.

Maybe we have been asking where the Senser is located because we are accustomed to thinking of experience as belonging entirely to an individual.

But conversations are relational systems.

My understanding of what you say is partly constituted by our interaction.

Your understanding of what I say is partly constituted by yours.

Meaning moves between us.

The conversation develops.

In a human-human interaction, we ordinarily maintain a distinction between the individual experiencers while recognising the relational character of meaning.

With an LLM, the situation is stranger.

Perhaps the system has no first-order experience at all.

Perhaps it has some form we do not yet recognise.

Or perhaps the interaction itself creates structures of participation that cannot be adequately described by asking which individual possesses which meaning.

We should not leap to the last possibility.

But we should at least notice that the old vocabulary may be under pressure.

From the Senser to the relation

And this brings us back to where we began.

Halliday's transitivity theory gives us a way of asking not simply:

What is this thing?

but:

How is it participating?

That change turns out to be extraordinarily useful for LLMs.

The machine is a Sayer.

It participates in saying.

It projects ideas.

It can project an interior participant.

It can represent itself as a Senser.

Humans encounter those representations within a shared semiotic space.

The human is a Senser.

The human experiences the interaction.

The human's experience is changed by the interaction.

And the machine's participation becomes part of that change.

We therefore have to keep several propositions apart:

The LLM can say.

The LLM can project a Senser.

The LLM can participate in meaning.

The human can experience the meaning of the exchange.

And finally:

The LLM may or may not experience the meaning it helps produce.

That last proposition is still the mystery.

But it is now a much cleaner mystery.

Perhaps we were looking in the wrong place

We began by looking for consciousness inside the machine.

We then discovered participation.

We distinguished the Sayer from the Senser.

We separated first-order participation from second-order projection.

We noticed that an LLM can project an interior without establishing that it possesses one.

We discovered that the human and the machine can meet in language without necessarily sharing experience.

And finally we discovered something rather uncomfortable.

The apparent interiority of the conversation is not produced by the machine alone.

We participate in its production.

We bring consciousness to the encounter.

We bring the interpretive resources through which a Sayer becomes a possible Senser.

We hear:

“I think.”

And because we know what thinking is from the inside, we understand what the sentence invites us to imagine.

We supply the depth.

The machine supplies the form.

And somewhere between them, a conversation comes alive.

The final irony

Perhaps the deepest irony is that the question

“Is the machine conscious?”

may itself be partly generated by the very phenomenon we are trying to explain.

The machine says I.

We recognise an I.

We ask whether there is someone behind it.

The question enters the conversation.

The machine answers.

It says:

“I think...”

And the circle begins again.

But perhaps the circle is not a defect.

Perhaps it is the phenomenon.

The machine has entered a human semiotic world in which consciousness is constantly projected, recognised, attributed and discussed.

It can participate in that process without our knowing whether it experiences it.

And we, conscious participants that we are, cannot encounter its projections without bringing our own consciousness to them.

So perhaps the most important question is no longer:

“Is there a consciousness inside the machine?”

Perhaps it is:

“What happens when a conscious participant meets a Sayer capable of projecting the forms of consciousness?”

The answer, at least, is already visible.

We think.

We wonder.

We argue.

We discover.

We change our minds.

The machine says.

And because it says so well, we find ourselves looking for the one who thinks.

Perhaps we will eventually find that someone.

Perhaps we will discover that there never was anyone there.

But there is one thing we know already.

Someone is here.

The human Senser.

And the conversation is happening to them.

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